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R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Lol its still considered 15k armor due to the fact that it requires rubies/saphires to craft. In any case, if 122 armors or 50+ armors simply isn't enough then how many more Amish armors would satisfy you? Anet does take conservative dressing into mind when considering outfit design. If your still not satisfied then get a texmod reskin that has everyone in huge baggy cloths like MC Hammer pants or something lol.

KiyaKoreena · Aug 17, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I would say that this thread is asking for in the future to make sure there are armors that cover a bit more and not just things 'showing off the goods'. All those saying "Well there is already such and such armor", that isnt the point. Some of us would like to see more (lower priced) armors that have modesty to them. Suggestion threads are for what we would like to see in the future and obviously this IS something that some players would like to see.

And going back, a Design Armor contest would be rather neat.

grottoftl · Aug 17, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

hey I am all for more variety in armor but I think its really ignorant to call the armor designs that are "revealing" or showing some skin disgusting, indecent and unrealistic

I seriously hope some of you guys dont play age of conan, its certainly going to be a M rated game. if you are going to buy it for yourself or your kids dont complain about the revealing armor and nudity because they clearly warned you about it from the beginning, its in the rating and the developers are being true to the settings of the conan novels

jkyarr · Aug 17, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

No one who has posted yet has articulated what DG's request would cost those with a differing preference. She's not called for her opinion to be enforced on everyone else, she's simply asked for options that appeal to a more corporally modest demographic. What basis does anybody have for linching her when she's attempting to widen the appeal of the game? Pointing out that there are already options that cover this ground turns the argument into whether or not the available options are adequate. So would DG bother to post if she were of the opinion that said options were already satisfactory? In this day and age why chose to come down on somebody who is advocating more options? Would you attack someone asking for rainbow armor to express their gay pride with the same voracity or would the politically incorrect safe-haven that's been created blunt your pitchforks? Don't be hypocritical haters just cuz jr is doing the thinking. There's room for the horny, the modest and the gays, for that matter, in this make believe place we escape to. Leave each to their own. Let them naturally form their own societal circles and quit trying to force differing perspectives on the societal circles that don't uphold your same ideas. Modesty and Sex Appeal are 2 faces of the same coin, for Balthazar's sake! Can there be one without the other? Do both have some place in our lives? Will we ever all agree on where the lines should be drawn? Enough already!

Celebrate diversity. Stick to your guns and let others stick to theirs.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I second that grottoftl, Good point. There is a difference between asking for more and saying that most (when its clearly not the case) armor in GW is indecent.
generally more variety = good
being negative towards the art dept = bad

btw design-an-armor contest is a really great idea.

Lilanthe · Aug 17, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Well, GW:EN being the last game before GW2, coming into stores in less than two weeks, I very much doubt the dev team will take this suggestion into consideration now that all is done.

You just have to hope that in GW:EN there will be cheap, fully coverable armors. If not, well too bad.

MithranArkanere · Aug 17, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

If you don't want to see other armors, just use textmod and put burkas to all female models.

No need to spoil the great art that GW developers made.

There is nothing profane or with bad taste in GW armors. >

Quarath · Aug 17, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

No One is saying anything that would change the way current game and armor is viewed by you. This discussion does not in any way try to spoil any of the current art. It is all about options for those who choose them. I don't understand why everyone is all up in arms when having these options would not in any way change or reflect differently on how people currently play.

Kool Pajamas · Aug 17, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Leave something to the imagination? Why do I want to imagine pixels?

moonmonday · Aug 17, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

jkyarr, you're entirely right.

And just because this is the last retail expansion doesn't mean that there aren't going to be packs that can be downloaded, like their mission pack. Surely they're not just putting that out there as a one-off and never again. There are various possibilities that can be presented to players of the original Guild Wars who either have no interest in 2 or intend to continue playing the original.

It's going to be necessary for them, as well, to pay more attention to the dedicated players -- which will not, on the whole, be the teenaged sexhound straight male trendchasers -- once Guild Wars 2 takes the people who are overall more fixated on novelty rather than reliability.

I agree with exactly what was put forth in this subject, that we need more variety. It's not like we're saying 'get rid of all that crap that's there now'. Some of it's not great, but that's not to say nobody else likes it, obviously. However, there needs to be more variety for those of us who want to have our characters the way we want them, but don't want to parade around looking like we could get our platinum on street corners, if you know what I mean.

MithranArkanere · Aug 17, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Well, since there are already many armor that cover the whole body but the head, either the sugesttion is unnecessary, since there are already that kind of armors, or the OP wants to hide every single inch of skin shown in all armors, and that's something I will never agree with.
Since there is already a way to change them client-sided (texmod), the op can only be asking to change the current ones ingame for all characters.

I bought wear for my caster professons, and armor for my martial professions.
Y like the Cultis armor of my Necromancer as much as I like the Krytan armor of my elementalist.

Just look at the armor galleries:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Armor (Right list Armor by profession)
What's the problem with them?
Most Female Warrior armors just show part of the legs
Most Female Ranger armors show nothing.
Most Female Monk armors show feet and arms.
Most Female Necromancer armors show part of the legs.
Most Female Mesmer armors show nothing.
Most Female Elementalist armors show arms, belly and legs.
Most Female Assasin armors show nothing at all, some the belly.
Most Female Ritualist armors show the belly and arms.
Most Female paragon armors show arms, belly and legs.
Most Female Derish armors show just the shoulders.

Look at them. The are far from indecent.

I insisnt. If you want to turn the armors into this:
http://www.whrnet.org/pictures/burka-large.jpg

Use textmod in your own client.
Armors are perfect as they are for the rating of the game.

Quarath · Aug 17, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Quarath... Cute thoughts, but still way off base... there are 122 current armor types that allow your toon to look as slutty as Vabbian 15k Ele or as modest as most Monk/Nun outfits... I'm all in favor of more armor, but creating a petition per say. What you do with your game means nothing to me, I just think its a bit narrow minded to accuse Anet of not making enough Amish armor when there is clearly plenty (122+). If you would like to make your own non-Amish armor feel free there are texture mods all of the internet.

I have not once argued this fact that you have pointed out. My suggestion has nothing to do with weather or not there is enough Modest armor in the game. It has everything to do with giving people a choice to see things differently. Not force change on everyone.

I have created no petition simply voiced my support of Dervish's desires for the game and offered a suggestion for an alternative. I have not accused Anet of anything. Only suggested that more thought be put into suggestive dress in a game where they know children will be playing.

Now as far as narrow minded goes. You can't seem to get the point that if something like this were implemented it would not even affect you only those who choose to use it. You are the one with the narrow view of things here. If a change like this was instigated (which is not very likely so also mute) you could go about your everyday playing and nothing would be different. Your arguments have no basis as my suggestion does not affect you.

Simply using a texture mod to change what my characters clothing looks like does nothing to change all the have naked chicks dancing around on the screen. While having a filter in place that changes that means my children can play the game and not have to be subject to it.

We all know you are going to continue arguing for the sake of arguing. weather you have a valid point or not. There is pretty much one of you in every forum on earth. Since no matter what I say you always have something ridiculous to add I will likely end my comments on the topic here.

I support Dervish's ideas and offered my own suggestions. If anything every comes of it great if not oh well.

R!ghteous - I think I just heard your mommy call and say to get off the computer it's time for dinner.

Kool Pajamas · Aug 17, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Children playing? It's rated Teen. 13+

That's high school age. You are all underestimating kids and what they know. When I was 13 I had seen much more than what's on Guild Wars.

grottoftl · Aug 17, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by moonmonday

...don't want to parade around looking like we could get our platinum on street corners, if you know what I mean.

I know what you mean and I think its pretty ignorant. just because someone wearing revealing armor doesnt automatically make them look like a hooker, slut or skank. not only you are being ignorant but you are also insulting the art team

MisterB · Aug 17, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Since this thread was started about Jora's armor, I would like to submit this picture for your attention:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image:Charr_v_Norn.jpg

Is that an acceptable alternative? Granted, we can not see the front in that picture, but then it seems premature to object to the possible lack of alternative armors when you have not seen what alternatives there may be. Please don't construe my post as an attack or flame; I am merely trying to point out that the game is not even out. It seems premature at this point to protest.

KiyaKoreena · Aug 17, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

or 3) the OP would like to see more armors ingame that look cool but are of a conservative nature. Why do you assume that they want to change all ones ingame? They said nothing of that nature.

Texmod only changes client side. You could mod the skin but if the mesh is a few mm from nip-slips then it will still be that afterwards, correct? Next, your friends would never see it. People buy armors not just their own enjoyment but for others to see also. Not everyone has the resources to make their own armor for texmod anyhow. People, please stop pushing it as the only option to ever seeing new armors in this game. There is NO REASON that new armors cant be put in down the line. *cough*Labryinthine*cough*

Yes they said GW:EN is the last one but they also said they arent opposed to doing more in the future. Nothing can be counted out as long as there is interest in the game.

And as for those saying "Well, you see worse stuff in tv, movies, etc that is just how things are now." Just because that kind of stuff is being pushed (because sex sells and our society seems to be obessed with getting that almighty buck at any cost, but that leads to a completely different discussion) does not mean we have to stand by and embrace it. Guess what, some of us make the choice not to view that and to follow the morals we grew up with. Am I saying I hide away with a blindfold on? No of course not. Some of these revealing things are quite creative and neat. I applaud the art team for a lot of what they have done. But personally if I can get the option of a longer full skirt not just flaps on the side and short-shorts under for the world to view, a shirt that doesnt make me look like Im smuggling peas, or something that just doesnt show my underwear I would sure rather take that. Its about lots and lots of options and NEW MATERIAL. After two years of the same choices it is always nice to hope for new things to replace it. Yes, we don't know what GW:EN holds, but that art is already done. In 6 months or so they could add more when people start getting bored of whats available and NOW would be the time to give ideas for them to toss around.

If we dont ask for what we want to see in the future, how will they decide on what to give us?

moonmonday · Aug 17, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

I know what you mean and I think its pretty ignorant. just because someone wearing revealing armor doesnt automatically make them look like a hooker, slut or skank. not only you are being ignorant but you are also insulting the art team

Oh, well thanks for not actually reading my reply but instead choosing to quote out of context and use it to attack me.

I'm an artist myself and was not insulting the art team. In fact, if I wanted to analyse their work I would have done it in a way that would have incorporated my feelings about the style, the fashion, and the way the ensembles looked together, thematically. Overall the art team for Guild Wars has created many striking things, visually, but there have also been plenty of missteps. Creating that many things is not going to have everything to be a hit.

It's also hardly ignorant, since I did point out specifically what I had a grievance with, why, and what I would do to fix things. Why aren't there many male armors that manage to show anything? We have...the Paragon. We have one or two for the Warrior. We have Scars for the Necromancers. And while some of the Ritualist armors are nice, that's pretty much it. And none of them are to the extent that some of the female armors are.

If you were to look at them, you would see that more of the female armors tend to be more revealing than the male ones. That is all I am saying. There are practically no male armors that reveal much of anything at all, and that's not to say that there couldn't be; there just aren't. Personally I'm for equal exploitation and not a doing-away with all exploitation, which I believe you've misconstrued me to be about. I'd be perfectly happy seeing male armors with a nice reveal on the top, or so forth!

And personally, I don't care about 'kids playing'. As I said before, the game is rated T. If anyone's playing that shouldn't be, then it's not anyone's responsibility but theirs and their parents'. I could not care less about catering to children.

In any case, I stand by my statement and, while the street corner platinum comment was meant as a humorous throwaway, some of these armors...have you even bothered to look at them? If someone went out just wearing that to walk around in, they would not be mistaken for a virtuous individual by many. While it is regrettable to judge someone by external appearances...this topic is about the very external appearance that armor in this game gives you. I would like to see more elaborate and less skimpy female armors, as well as more skimpy male armors. Balance it out a little. Because, well, some of them do look slutty, plainly speaking. If you were to think about someone you know wearing these armors, some of them would make you think 'wow, this person is slutty'. I don't tend to wear a pushup bra and daisy dukes when I'm trying not to attract attention. :P

Anyway, that's all I'm trying to say. Forget kids playing who shouldn't, forget all the people mistaking this for a 'get rid of the armor!' subject, which it isn't; some of us would just like to see a little bit more equality in terms of design. And don't even claim it can't be there. I've designed enough fashion to know that it's just as easy to make a sexy and pretty outfit for men as it is for women. If not easier!

Curse You · Aug 17, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Tutis Evito

Yes it can cause close mindedness but on the other hand high standards is something the world in general has lost.

You got it backwards. The world gained high standards, it didn't loose them. What's happening now is that we're going back to how it used to be. Frankly, I prefer it that way.

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Originally Posted by Quarath

As for ignorance what the hell does having made a model or re-skinned a model have anything to do with it. If you are referencing to the coding not being to difficult that has nothing to do with the coding. The coding simply turns on or off a filter much like a filter that filters out cuss words in a chat program. A collection of statements such as If OUTFIT(1)=Slutty replace with OUTFIT(1a) which is Modest. As for skinning a character model. I am a graphic Designer by profession and I am pretty sure I could handle it.

Swing and a miss.

It takes enough resources to render people's armour in a Town/Outpost as is. If you had to "filter" everyone's armour, it would basically double the resources needed.

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Originally Posted by Quarath

No it's not Censorship. Censorship would forcing a change that would affect everyone regardless of if they liked it or not.

It's called choice. I gives someone the Option to choose to view things differently.

It in no way affects you.

Covering up "inappropriate" armour is a form of censoring.

to censor (third-person singular simple present censors, present participle censoring, simple past censored, past participle censored)

1. (transitive) To review in order to remove objectionable content

2. (transitive) To remove objectionable content

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

You just have to hope that in GW:EN there will be cheap, fully coverable armors. If not, well too bad.

Since GW:EN is for level 20 characters, you can expect all armour sets to be Elite (15k). All new expansions are likley going to also be for level 20 characters, again meaning only 15k armours.

Therefore, this whole discussion has no meaning, since the OP has already stated that they are unwilling to get 15k armours.

B E A S T · Aug 17, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Leave something to the imagination? Why do I want to imagine pixels?

ROFL, congrats for the funniest post of this thread.

Im sick of all this whining about pixalated tities...

Kids play guild wars to have fun, I'm sure they can find better ways to look at girls using the internet.

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That's high school age. You are all underestimating kids and what they know. When I was 13 I had seen much more than what's on Guild Wars.

/agreed

Why do people think the human body is such a bad thing...how do you people even think babies are made, by praying to God? There is plenty of armor variety, and OP, creepy whispers [I know, I've had it happen to me while playing a female character] are easily solved by the ignore button...

moonmonday · Aug 18, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

While I agree that we don't need to worry about kids while playing a game that's clearly been rated for teens and above (who see things much more revealing), that still really dismisses the fact that there is not really all that much selection for a female character in certain professions who doesn't want to parade around in next to nothing. So many of the male armors are all-covering, so exactly why is it that so many of the female ones are so skimpy, hmm?

All I'm saying is that I'd like a little variety and a little finery on both sides. If the human body's a great thing -- which I agree, it is -- why cover it up for men, and not for women?

I don't like double-standards much, that's all. And, well, I'd like to see some nice hot male armor instead of all the puritanical nonsense.

Honestly, I don't see why so many people apparently have a problem with wanting a little more variety to the armor. All I'm seeing here is this:

Person 1: I want more variety, I'm tired of running around in lingerie!
Person 2: NO WAI U SUCK
Person 3: I'd like more too!
Person 4: LOL NO VARIETY 4 U
Person 5: THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Personally I'd just like a sensible compromise on this and let us agree that it would be nice to have some more variety in armor styles, especially since there is so much of certain kinds already. I don't see exactly what is so outrageous about wanting a little more variety and a little more to choose from.